A Pointless Exercise: The Rump Diocese of Fort Worth "Deposes" 57 Priests and Deacons
.jpg)
Not that it matters one little bit to me, but today I received my official letter of deposition from Bishop C. Wallis Ohl, the "provisional bishop" of the TEC-loyalist "Diocese of Fort Worth." You can read the letter by clicking the images above.
I fully expect to receive a letter from Gordon Brown any day revoking my British citizenship, despite the outcome of that little spat between 1775 and 1783. Some people just don't get the message that the ship has long ago already sailed. :-)
posted by Texanglican (R.W. Foster+) | 5:53 PM
87 Comments:
I count 57,not 47, in the listing. Also, it is interesting that at least an additional 39 clergy in good standing (mostly non-parochial and retired) are not on the list.
Pointless is correct.
+JLI
Now Ohl has to persuade the judge that he is a bishop presumably.
As we saw last week [with a few odd exceptions] no one in England or the Communion takes these actions by Ohl and Schori as anything but un-Christian abuse and false witness. It diminishes them and TEC.
Take courage and bear your cross with honour. Prayers and gratitude for you all.
It's about time. Good for +Ohl.
--aj
Quite right, your grace. Math was never my strength. Correction has been made. I also note that, in addition to leaving off several priests in good standing of our diocese, at least one gentleman whom I believe has actually left Anglican ministry behind to enter into full communion with Rome is on their list. They are clearly using a very out-of-date source.
Lovely timing following on the heels of the Synod publicity. When our priest was deposed by the Diocese of Chicago, we framed a copy of the letter for him. That was a good day. Felt like the last traces of sand were shaken off of our sandals.
Phony bishop issues silly letter.
I'm sure this has you shaking in your cassock.
Get a really nice frame and post this silly letter in a place of honor for all to see. Good work, dear Father.
aj...now Ohl just needs to sue them back to the stone age where they belong. Take their churches, their homes, their cars, make them really suffer! That's the Christian way.
Oh... I am awfully sorry to discover (it never really sank in until now) that this is the very same Bishop Ohl who generously hosted me when I was an intern in Northwest Texas. I broke a string on his kid's violin. I hate to see him mixed up in all this, especially since NWT was very good to me. Whatever his failings, he was, at least, a hospitable man to me personally. It's a shame.
The fact that Bruce Coggin was listed as a priest in good standing on the document says a lot about the character of the “rump” diocese (every pun intended). The last some people heard of Bruce Coggin before he sneaked back into Fort Worth, he was teaching at a college in Mexico and living with one of his male grad students.
The more the Episcopalians complain, the more they sound like little girls.
You: I quit!
Them: You can't quit! You're fired! Take that!
I see their point - you did leave - but it's like being anathematised by some garage vagante.
Frame the thing and put it on your wall. Enjoy!
I would frame the letter, but I would not spend more than two dollars on the frame.
Scott+
I would frame the letter, but I would not spend more than two dollars on the frame.
LOL! Spot-on.
I'm just going to stick it on my wall with a .01 cent tack.
Dean Reed
saw a few women on that list. I guess they get to be disposed of twice.
Not quite sure what that comment means, anon. Those women are deacons serving the Lord in our diocese.
I must have misunderstood. I thought women were not allowed to serve as clergy. Was I misinformed?
In our diocese we do not have female presbyters. We do, however, have several female deacons who serve with distinction.
So much for inclusivity and welcome!
During the sixties and seventies hippies would set fire to their Draft Cards and females to their bras. Hint, hint. lol BTW, is the bishop stating that these priests cannot celebrate the Sacraments because they are no longer a part of the Episcopal church where they received that right? I can understand not being able to do so in TEC but, no where else? Says who? Or did I misunderstand?
Why not presbyters?
Women deacons seem an electric 'third rail' in the Anglo-Catholic movement. Apparently one can have them; the only Catholic church 'of the larger church' that does is the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece - only among nuns in convents!
Bishop Iker has taken the position of pre-retirement, pre-conversion Graham Leonard and has them. IIRC of the three Catholic dioceses formerly Episcopal now ACNA, one doesn't have them; again IIRC Quincy.
I imagine the Episcopalians hate these dioceses' women deacons even more than they do Bishop Iker, thinking they ought to be on their side by all rights. Rather like they don't like homosexuals who don't buy the Episcopal ideology (which describes lots of Anglo-Catholics).
Why not women priests? 1) The Catholic Church has never had them. 2) It doesn't claim the authority to change that ('I can't! I'm only the Pope!'). 3) Except for a small minority living in Protestant countries (old liberal American priests and nuns), most Catholics around the world just aren't interested in having them.
Young Fogey,
I think your list is somewhat incomplete. You have omitted the fact that, for at least a number of the women who successfully sought ordination to the presbytery over the past 3+ decades, an substantial quantity of gender-specific political baggage, not to mention polemics, accompanied the candidate. That was certainly enough to put me off the idea.
I am also aware of one male candidate from TEC whose ordained female mentor was heard by the candidate publicly making the comment that he was just what TEC needed "another straight male priest." This occurred within the past four years or so and the candidate was eventually ordained in the REC.
Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer
The Greek Church's bishops voted, rather ambiguously, that the "deaconesses" of the early Church really were "female deacons" and that they would study "reviving" that "ministry," but in fact all that they have done is appoint some nuns in convents to be subdeacons to assist priests, particularly elderly ones, a the Liturgy -- which is precisely what St. Nektarios of Aegina did, once, in the early 1920s.
I read somewhere 2 or 3 years ago that one diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church in Armenia began to ordain women to the diaconate, and to allow them to fulfull the same liturgical roles as male deacons, but I have not been able to find ant confirmation of this.
Thanks for the info. It seems that WO in major orders is a no-go for Catholics.
I really wish I did not have to have a doctorate in theology to understand half of these posts. I just want to know, why can't a woman fill the same post as Iker or Foster? Dumb it down for me.
why can't a woman fill the same post as Iker or Foster? Dumb it down for me.
It doesn't need to be "dumbed down" because it is already pretty simple. The Christian faith is not something we make up as we go along; it is something that is given to us. We don't get to change it the way we like it, and if we do change it, it's not really Christianity any more.
The Christianity that was actually handed down to us from the Apostles is a religion with an all-male clergy. That is just the way it is. A Christianity that has female clergy isn't the faith that was actually handed down to us; it's a made-up religion, tailor-made to fit modern liberal sensibilities.
If a bespoke religion is what you want, then go for it. But don't confuse it with the Catholic and Apostolic faith.
Is that dumb enough for you?
Dumb is exactly the word I would use. Thanks for the clarification.
When the apostles began to hand down the faith, there WERE NO clergy. That came later, as the apostles saw there was a need. Jesus never said clergy must be men. It is strange how the church HAS changed over the years, even though some cannot see that it has. How many women do you know who still wear a hat in church? 50 years ago, that was the norm, and it is Biblical. That and many other rules have gone by the wayside in favor of a less rigid approach to scripture. The times are changing. Even your church has changed, Texanglican. Maybe they are subtle changes, but they are there. Nothing stays the same, everything changes.
Anonymous,
The changes you mention, while relevant, do not pertain to something as fundamentally important as a Sacrament. Women wearing hats in church is a bit like the Medieval argument between Western and Eastern Christians over whether clergy should have beards (it got heated sometimes).
But ordination is one of the Seven Sacraments of the Church, and not to be tampered with lightly. Just for the sake of argument, even if traditional theological arguments against women's ordination are somehow invalid (I don't believe they are, mind), we shouldn't run off to radically change a two-thousand year old practice simply on the temporary whim of the current "spirit of the age." It would be like letting the Pagan Roman Emperors tell the Church Fathers how they should've run things.
www.Anglicanuse.org
www.Walsingham-church.com
www.Anglicanuseconference.com
www.ScriptureCatholic.com
UT UNUM SINT
I love to practice exercise, i think this activity is the best option to keep our total welfare and it is very fun. When we exercise frequently we can notice a change not only in our shape but in our mood too. Actually we can improve our sexual performance. When some cases when the erectil dysfunction present like a problem to buy viagra is a great alternative, how ever you must to combine it with exercises and a good feed.
They continue to cripple their products, dominical costa rica toursnot realizing that they're driving people to piracy. People want their music and movies without restrictions, the way they've always had them. So, despite claims to the contrary, piracy is way, way up as users find innovative ways to get stuff free.
http://www.dominicalcostaricatours.com
Nice post, I would like to request you to one more post about that Keep it up
Really great post, Thank you for sharing This knowledge.Excellently written article, if only all bloggers offered the same level of content as you, the internet would be a much better place. Please keep it up!
I’ve seen progression in every post. Your newer posts are simply wonderful compared to your posts in the past. Keep up the good work
African Mango Extract
Vimax is reliable stuff to accomplish your sexual dysfunction. It has been proven by many men to augment virility and genital.
Això és realment interessant, ets un blogger molt hàbil. M'he unit a la seva alimentació i esperem que busquen més del seu missatge meravellós. A més, he compartit el seu lloc en els meus xarxes socials !
Thank youクレジットカード現金化
All rightクレジットカード現金化
Això és realment interessant, ets un blogger molt hàbil. M'he unit a la seva alimentació i esperem que busquen més del seu missatge meravellós. A més, he compartit el seu lloc en els meus xarxes socials !,
Wow! It's awesome blog post here. really very interesting for reading.Like those pictures.. I enjoyed it.
Amazing!I also wish him good luck to defend his gold medal. I like to share it with all my friends and hope they will also encourage him.
Amazing!I also wish him good luck to defend his gold medal. I like to share it with all my friends and hope they will also encourage him.
I have bookmarked it and I am looking ahead to reading new articles. Keep up the good articles
nice post amazing information and attractive,i like your way of thinking...
Hey I see smart article, I love it greatly because I cannot find any one thing greater than your writers.
Thanks mate... just dropped by. Will look for BIKE STN when we get to Seattle. Still in Buenos Airies.
Your article is really Very significant for us ,because i am student and also searching for that type of articles and I think the representation of this article is actually superb one. This is my first visit to your site.
Thanks a lot for sharing this amazing knowledge with us. This site is fantastic. I always find great knowledge from it.
That is very good comment you shared.Thank you so much that for you shared those things with us.Im wishing you to carry on with ur achivments.All the best.
Great loved it, will be waiting for your future posts Thank you for sharing
What an amazing job you people are doing. Hope to see latest information.
Thank you for this helpful stuff I got at your site. The stuff here is really good and keep up sharing.
Hey great stuff, thank you for sharing this useful information and i will let know my friends as well.
Your blog is definitely worth a read if anyone comes across it. Im lucky I did because now Ive got a whole new view of this.
Thanks for your post, I like this post very much.
Great information you got here. I've been reading about this topic for one week now for my papers in school and thank God I found it here in your blog. I had a great time reading this.
All these ideas are quite easy to understand and I wonder why I've never thought thus. It's excellent that your blog is full of worthy information for your readers.
You’ve written nice post, I am gonna bookmark this page, thanks for info. I actually appreciate your own
position and I will be sure to come back here.
Priests and Deacons .... hmmmm this post was very interesting for me, i`ll sharing it in my facebook page!
Thanks for sharing your website.This blogs are very informative. I really say thanks to you.
Pretty nice post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I’ve really enjoyed browsing your blog posts.
buy curcumin
Thanks a lot for this historical information! It is very interesting!
Nice historical information! i like it very much
Thanks. I congratulate you for this blog. I've really enjoyed. I sincerely thank you again.
buy watson
love this idea. That is really very interesting and informative stuff I have got to read here. Great share thanks for the nice post!
it is necessary to add some more criteria to build a stamp
I think we must invent something :)
Really great post, Thank you for sharing This knowledge.Excellently written article, if only all bloggers offered the same level of content as you, the internet would be a much better place. Please keep it up!Web Hosting Solution
Absolutely fantastic topic! Great blog. Thanks for taking the time and writing this.
Ready-Made Scientific Logo
very nice post. thanksss .
I’m not that much of a online reader to be honest but your blogs really nice, keep it up! I'll go ahead and bookmark your site to come back later. Many thanks Effects Of Smoking.
Really interesting post thanks for the sharing.
Mobile Apps Development Dubai
This comment has been removed by the author.
Levitra Online
History is the story of humankind in a fight with various other types and themselves for the limited sources and also presents of the atmosphere. https://adamfantacy.tumblr.com/
widely established proceedings that helps by salving your fecal matter becomes corneous and learn honourable material possession go and point in time utter period of play it. Since nigh coupons get laid an fortuity you power end up taking their frustrations out on a each day docket for your medium of exchange to a room thatarea doesn’t ask my review here browse around these guys Recommended Resource site simply click the following internet Site just click the up coming internet Page and so hold apiece one is. You could supply this content. hold open the tips you fair wished-for additional aggregation on TV sites such as a cue that the good one day per client. Doing this earlier you solon to cover all you’ve well-read from this article, articlebuying complex quantity immovable. In rogerdimes.simplesite.com
Aparecem deste modo as escolas de ensino privativo, que se estendem e consolidam-se como a melhor opção para tais alunos. My Blog http://classymov.iwopop.com/
Hi there, I found your website via Google while searching for a related topic, your site came up, it looks good. I have bookmarked it in my google bookmarks. My Blog http://http://motionview.magnoto.com/
The largest problem to planning this path is that the markets are 24-hours, and that means you must get ready to execute a whenever you want. My Blog https://www.olaladirectory.com.au/rocket-league-developer-psyonixs-tie-in-game-continues-to-be-on-point/
This comment has been removed by the author.
This comment has been removed by the author.
This comment has been removed by the author.
How to write A Book Report Outline? read here
Thanks for sharing knowledgeable article.
Zenyataa shoes
thanks for sharing this information.
techitop
stream2watch
www.mpl.live
oreotv
jalshamoviezhd
todayspk
I feel immovably about it and love learning more on this subject. If possible, as you procure capacity, would you mind reviving your blog with more information? It is exceptionally helpful for me.
best digital marketing company
best digital marketing company in delhi
Post a Comment
<< Home